ASK STATMAN

Posted on: Fri 12 Oct 2012

As we await the return of our international players to their day jobs, club statistician Paul Dutton gives air to some of the work that has been keeping him busy as he answers another batch of number-related questions from fans…

I'm starting this Ask Statman by looking at the emergency men - those outfield players who have gone in goal when the regular goalkeeper has been lost during a game. 

Yunusa Muhammad's email is the prompt and was sent in partly due to the recent obituary for Ron Tindall that mentioned our former striker could play in goal on emergency occasions.

Yunusa wants to know about other Chelsea outfield players who have had to go between the posts, either from an outfield position or from the subs' bench.

There was a big change in the rules regarding this matter in 1992, at the advent of the Premier League, when specialist goalkeeper substitutes on the bench came in for the first time. At Chelsea we have only had two instances since then when an outfield player has gone in goal.

One was when John Terry came on for the final two minutes at the end of infamous match at Reading in 2006, when both Petr Cech and Carlo Cudicini were carried off unconscious.

The other involved Glen Johnson at Newcastle in the FA Cup in 2005. Cudicini was sent off in the dying seconds and we were already down to 10 men at that point, having used all three subs at half-time and then losing Wayne Bridge to a broken leg.

Before 1992, outfield players always had to go in goal if the keeper was lost during play for any reason. Here I'll list the last four occasions that happened, beginning with Vinnie Jones in 1991 against Sheffield Wednesday away. We were 2-0 down at the time and lost 3-0 in the end. Bizarrely given the score, Jones was booked for time-wasting as soon as he took the gloves.  

The occasion before was when midfielder John Coady went in goal in 1987 against Oxford, sadly the day Eddie Niedzwiecki re-aggravated the knee injury that ended his career. Chelsea won 2-1.

Before that was the day Niedzwiecki sustained the original injury in 1986, against QPR at home. Diminutive striker David Speedie went in goal and was lobbed for the equaliser (pictured above) as it ended 1-1.

In 1980 versus Cambridge at home, Tommy Langley went in goal when Petar Borota was injured. That match also ended 1-1.

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Jimmy Greaves has featured in Ask Statman many times before but Bill Bailey, who describes Greaves as Chelsea's greatest, takes us in a new direction. He asks about the legendary goalscorer's famous youth season before he broke into the first team and requests a full breakdown of the goals.

The fixture programme for youth players back in 1956/57 was far from a straightforward one but as far as I can ascertain Greaves struck a remarkable 113 goals in all games in all competitions that season, including friendlies.

In the Football Combination, which was the reserve team's league, he scored two goals.

In the Metropolitan League he netted four goals.

In the main youth team league - the South East Counties League - 53 goals.

In the South East Counties League Cup - six goals.

In the Southern Junior Floodlit Cup - four goals.

In the FA Youth Cup - 10 goals.

In the London Minor Cup - five goals.

In the Hornchurch and District League (playing for a Chelsea side) - one goal.

On junior team tours or in friendlies - eight goals.

And for England Youth - 20 goals.

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Next I am returning to a question discussed back in the summer which came from Frank P. Gough. He recounted an early memory from just after the war when Chelsea played Arsenal at the Bridge and the main gates were forced open, the match having started before hundreds had been able to get in.

He recalls being outside when there was a great shout from inside the ground and two sailors in uniform climbed the main gates. It caused the large crowd to move towards the gates which were forced open allowing hundreds of people to get into the ground without paying.

I suggested from the evidence that Frank's memories might have come from the famous Moscow Dynamo friendly in November 1945, the match in London after the war when thousands climbed into the Bridge after the gates had closed.

However Frank has emailed in again to explain he well remembers the visit of Moscow Dynamo but was unable to get to that midweek match and instead read about it afterwards.

He was at the Arsenal match however which he thinks was the first really big match after the start of the season and a very large crowd was outside when it got under way. For a time, this crowd was reasonably patient, realising that Chelsea had not expected such a large number to attend but then there was a big cheer from inside the ground.

It was then the two sailors took matters into their own hands. Frank recalls it being quite a dangerous situation in the end as if anyone had slipped to the ground, they would have found it impossible to stand up again, and that no reference was ever made to the breaking down of the gates in any of the reports of the match. He is also sure that the initial intention of most of the surge had not been to enter without paying.

From the details Frank gives, the game must be one that took place on 26 October 1946, the 12th game after the reintroduction of league football following the war.

Chelsea won 2-1 with Tommy Lawton (pictured below) scoring both of our goals and Reg Lewis scoring for the Gunners. The official crowd was 56,432 and as Franks says, no reference is made in any reports I can find to the gates being broken down.

Perhaps that tale has been obscured by memories of the more dramatic Moscow Dynamo visit. I wonder if anyone reading has a similar memory as Frank of the Arsenal game, or knows any fans who went to the Bridge in the 1940s whom they could ask?

Lawton

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Andrew O'Brien from Brisbane takes us east in subject matter with two questions.

He is sure he saw Chelsea play the People's Republic of China at Stamford Bridge in the early 1980s with the Blues winning on a wet, midweek night.

He also saw us take on Brunei away in 1997 after we had won the FA Cup and believes that the manager and trainer at the time played. He asks for confirmation of that and for some other facts.

Andrew also sent in some photos from that visit to Brunei including the one below featuring our current manager.

Brunei


The game at the Bridge was on a Monday night - 13 August 1979 - before the season started. The opposition was a China XI that included students, teachers and soldiers, and it had an average age of 23.

It was the last game of their four-match British tour and they had already played West Brom, Middlesbrough and Celtic.

Chelsea won 3-1 with goals by Trevor Aylott, Tommy Langley and Ray Wilkins who was playing his last game before his transfer to Manchester United. There was an 8,098 crowd.

Moving on to Brunei, that game was the second of a three-match Far East tour that did follow our 1997 FA Cup triumph. We won 6-0 with the names on the scoresheet Frank Sinclair, Gianfranco Zola, Dan Petrescu, Gianluca Vialli and Mark Nicholls with two goals.

It was Graham Rix, who at the time was assistant manager, who came on as a sub, as did masseur Terry Byrne.

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The next question comes from a Bulgarian Chelsea fan of 29 years standing. Daniel Karamochev would like to know how many of the goals scored down the years by some of our leading scorers - Bobby Tambling, Kerry Dixon, Roy Bentley, Peter Osgood, Jimmy Greaves, George Mills and George Hilsdon - were from penalties.

The figures are:

Tambling - 12 penalties scored from 15 attempts.

Dixon - 6 from 13 attempts.

Bentley - 2 from 7.

Osgood - 10 from 13.

Greaves - 2 from 4.

Mills - 2 from 5.

Hilsdon - 14 from 17.


Dixon


Kerry Dixon (pictured above) and Bobby Tambling are also at the centre of questions sent in by Albert Hussein who requests a breakdown of their goals, i.e. how many in the First Division, how many in the Second Division etc.

I'll alsoinclude Frank Lampard to cover the top three scorers in Chelsea history, especially as he equalled Tambling's total for top-flight goals in our last outing.

The figures are:

Tambling - 202 goals in total. Top-flight goals 129, Second Division goals 35, FA Cup goals 25, League Cup goals 10, Fairs Cup goals 3.

Dixon - 193 goals in total. Top-flight goals 94, Second Division goals 53, 1 goal scored in a league play-off, FA Cup goals 8, League Cup goals 25, Full Members Cup goals 12.

Lampard - 189 goals in total. Top-flight goals 129, FA Cup goals 24, Champions League goals 22, UEFA Cup goals 2, League Cup goals 11, Community Shield goals 1.

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Mike Ashe asks a technical question about stat keeping, or should that be stat clean-sheet keeping, for he wants to know how a decision is made about crediting clean sheets when a goalkeeper substitution is made midway through a game.

Mike highlights last season's League Cup match at Everton when Ross Turnbull was sent off with the score 0-0 and Petr Cech replaced him. The game ended 2-1 to Chelsea so the question is, does Turnbull get credited with a clean sheet?

There is no definitive rule about how statisticians treat such figures but in my records, Turnbull didn't get a clean sheet to his name because a clean sheet is only credited if the team keeps one over the course of the whole match. No team clean sheet - no clean sheet for any keeper.

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Mike from Wales, who regularly emails me on wide-range of interesting and in-depth subjects, has been discovering information about the Chelsea tour to Latin America over 80 years ago, which as he points out was quite an odyssey before scheduled airlines.

Mike wants to read all information available on the excursion for which I highly recommend the book Chelsea FC: The Official Biography by my colleague Rick Glanvill as that has a whole chapter devoted to the tour.

However in this Ask Statman I do have space for the following table of information on the games which as can be seen, were fitted into a busy schedule to say the least!


DATE OPPOSITION LOCATION SCORE
25 May 1929 Buenos Aires XI Buenos Aires, Argentina 3-2 win
26 May 1929 Provincia Buenos Aires 0-4 defeat
30 May 1929 Argentine Amateur Association Buenos Aires 1-0 win
2 June 1929 Buenos Aires XI Buenos Aires 2-3 defeat
8 June 1929 San Lorenzo de Almagro Buenos Aires 2-0 win
9 June 1929 Penarol Montevideo, Uruguay 1-2 defeat
15 June 1929 Independiente Buenos Aires 1-1 draw
16 June 1929 Union, Santa Fe Santa Fe, Argentina 0-5 defeat
16 June 1929 Rosario Rosario, Argentina 1-2 defeat
20 June 1929 Racing Club Buenos Aires 0-1 defeat
22 June 1929 Estudiantil Porteno Buenos Aires 2-3 defeat
23 June 1929 Wanderers Montevideo 1-0 win
28 June 1929 Rio de Janeiro XI Rio de Janeiro, Brazil 1-1 draw
30 June 1929 Rio de Janeiro XI Rio de Janeiro 1-2 defeat
4 July 1929 Corinthians Sao Paulo, Brazil 4-4 draw
7 July 1929 Sao Paulo Sao Paulo 1-3 defeat



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I have space for one first-game question - from Malcolm Newing whose first full season corresponded with the first season we played in blue shirts and shorts. He remembers much of that season but less about his very first visit to the Bridge the previous year so asks about that match against Wolves. He is sure Frank Blunstone was involved.

The game was on 8 February 1964 and the team was: John Dunn, Marvin Hinton, Eddie McCreadie, Ron Harris, John Mortimore, Frank Upton, Bert Murray, Bobby Tambling, Barry Bridges, Terry Venables (captain), Frank Blunstone. The manager was Tommy Docherty with Wolves managed by Stan Cullis.

Unfortunately Chelsea lost 3-2 with our goals coming after Wolves's three. The scorers were Murray and Tambling.

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Alan Baldwin asks about a specific sending-off, that of Cup Winners' Cup-winning Scot John Boyle when Chelsea visited Brighton in an FA Cup match. He wants to know the year of the red card.

It was in February 1967, an FA Cup fourth round tie at the Goldstone Ground. Bobby Tambling scored in a 1-1 draw before Chelsea won the replay four days later at Bridge - 4-0 with Boyle playing in that game.

Another question from that era is from Stephen Cane who says he remembers John Hollins taking a penalty against Spurs but not whether he scored or it was saved. He recalls it being a very close game.

In that period we had two 1-0 wins against Tottenham - one in April 1970 but there wasn't a penalty and Tommy Baldwin scored. In 1971 we won 1-0 but Charlie Cooke scored the goal and again there was no penalty.

So I think the game in question must be a League Cup semi-final first leg in December 1971. We won 3-2 and Hollins scored the winner in the 85th minute from the spot. The opening scorer was Peter Osgood before Terry Naylor and Martin Chivers scored two goals in two minutes for Spurs to go 2-1 up. Chris Garland equalised for Chelsea before the Hollins goal. We drew 2-2 in the away leg and went on to play Stoke in the final.

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Adam Robinson has noticed that Chelsea played twice on the same day during our very first season - on 18 November 1905. The matches were a home league game versus Burnley and an away FA Cup game versus Crystal Palace. He asks did they both kick off at the same time and who managed the FA Cup team?

The League game at the Bridge was a 2.30pm kick-off. The Palace FA Cup match was played by our reserve side and was in the afternoon, but I'm afraid I can find no record of the exact kick-off time, nor who was in charge of that side while the senior players were in action at home. Can anyone else help please?

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Adeniyi Hismerhil raises the spectre of some gloomy times past by asking how many times Chelsea have been relegated.

We have made the drop from the top flight six times.The first occasion was in 1910 and we stayed in the Second Division for two years. Then again in 1924, this time down for six years. In 1962 for one year, in 1975 for two years, in 1979 for a long five years and, the most recent relegation, which was in 1988, thankfully for just the one year.

Let's end this Ask Statman on a more cheery note with Ahmad Hussain Abubakar from Nigeria asking how much Chelsea earned from our achievement of winning the Champions League and the FA Cup last season.

Our winnings from the Champions League were published by UEFA as 59.9 million euro (equivalent to £48.3 million at current exchange rates). The prize money for the FA Cup win was £1.8 million.

As usual I finish by apologising if I haven't dealt with your query this time, I will be back. Thanks to everyone who emailed in, including those who highlighted a 5-0 win at Highbury in the League Cup when last time I published our highest league win there. If anyone has any new questions, comments or corrections then please email statman@chelseafc.com