ASK STATMAN

Posted on: Fri 15 Nov 2013

Taking time out from keeping record of this season, club statistician Paul Dutton turns his attention to more questions sent in by supporters…

I'm going to begin this Ask Statman by returning straight away to a question and answer from the last one.

Back then I published a couple of photographs as my suggestions for a picture Andy Grigg was wishing to track down.He remembered seeing as a child a picture of Peter Bonetti acrobatically saving a penalty, one that often featured in football magazines of the time.

Andy emailed again to say neither of my suggestions were correct but I'm pleased to say there has been a good response from other readers, who have identified another two possible photos for Andy.

Ray Brown writes: 'I can guarantee the remarkable save from "the Cat" was taken in a home game with Everton on Saturday 7th September 1968 and the match ended in a 1-1 draw. From the awarded penalty up stepped Alan Ball (in the best form of his career) to hit/place a nice penalty aimed for the left-hand corner (from behind the goal) but Peter pulled off a truly tremendous save.

'If by some chance it was not this game and save then Peter made an identical penalty save later that same season on Saturday March 1 1969 in an FA Cup sixth round 1-2 home defeat to West Bromwich Albion. The consistent Tony 'Bomber' Brown took the penalty and the Cat made an identical save as the one against Everton.'

Stephen Gow highlights the same two saves and points out the West Brom one was published in a match programme that season, and John Harlow suggests the Everton one. All point out match highlights with the saves can be found on YouTube.

Former Chelsea match programme editor Hugh Hastings also got in touch and sent in a picture of the save from Ball taken from the other end of the stadium to the picture Andy remembers, which is shown below, and I found the programme picture of the West Brom save from Brown which is the second picture below. So hopefully Andy will email in again to let us know if either of these were his save.

Bonetti

 

Bonetti

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Another follow up to thelast Ask Statman was emailed in by John Cox, who has an additional answer to a question about any Chelsea players with a disability.

John points out that just under my answer where I named one of our early players, Bob Thomson, I had published a picture of Andy Wilson who played over 253 games for the club in the 1920s and 1930s, scoring 62 goals.

John writes that Wilson had at least part of one arm missing, noticed when the former striker gave trophies out for a Sunday league that John played for back in the 1960s. I've looked into this and John is correct. Wilson almost lost use of his right arm which was shattered by a shell in France during the First World War. As John suggests, Wilson is probably our most celebrated disabled player.

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I'm making sure I deal with this question this time as the answer may soon change. Emmanuel Adetinkan asks which Chelsea goalkeeper has the most clean sheets. Petr Cech is now on 204 clean sheets so is close behind record holder Peter Bonetti on 208.

Emmanuel also wants to know which Chelsea player, including goalkeepers, is the tallest in our history. As far as I am aware from the records kept, he is Ed de Goey (pictured at the top) who is 6ft 6in (1.98m) tall. Sam Walker who is one of our Academy players and currently on loan at Colchester is 6ft 7in (2m) but has not played for the Chelsea first team.

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Victor Olawale asks who is the first Chelsea player to score a hat-trick in the Champions League.

The first remains the only one to date, Didier Drogba, who netted three times versus Levski Sofia in a Champions League group stage game in 2006.

Drogba


Chelsea hat-tricks in other European competitions were by Terry Venables against Roma in the Inter-Cities Fairs Cup in 1965; Peter Osgood against Luxembourg side Jeunesse Hautcharage away in the Cup Winners Cup in 1971. Ossie then scored another five in the home leg against Jeunesse. Tommy Baldwin hit a hat-trick in that second leg as well with the match ending 13-0 (21-0 on aggregate).

In another Cup Winners' Cup home leg, this one following the snowy away game in Norway against Tromso in 1997, Gianluca Vialli scored three times at the Bridge.

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Neil Smith regularly sends in an interesting email and has done so again by recalling a midweek evening fixture away against Spurs on 3 April 1974. With Chelsea leading 2-1, Neil writes, the floodlights dimmed with some 10 minutes left and continued to deteriorate until completely malfunctioning, leaving everybody in the ground in the dark.

He remembers no announcements were made so the assumption was the game had finished, and press coverage reported the next day that there were a few minutes left to play but the result would stand.

I've checked the records and Chelsea won 2-1 at White Hart Lane with goals from Micky Droy and a rare Ron Harris goal. The lights did flicker and made it impossible to play so the referee Brian Homeward did blow the whistle, by reports anywhere between 90 seconds and two minutes before time was up, but happily our win was not denied.

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How many times have Chelsea played against Bayern Munich and what is the breakdown of results asks Robert Koechl.

'I'm a Chelsea supporter since 1996 and although I'm living just 100 miles away from Munich, I don´t like them and therefore I hope to hear a positive answer,' he writes.

I'll leave Robert to judge whether my answer is positive enough for his liking. We have played three Champions League games against Bayern, winning one game and drawing one, although I'm sure I don't need to remind you we won the subsequent penalty shoot-out, the game being the 2012 Champions League final. The third game we lost but that was the second leg of a tie we won overall.

In the UEFA Super Cup meeting back in August we again drew the game but this time lost the penalty shoot-out.

I can find one friendly match between the clubs, back in 1932 which Chelsea won. It may not be the only friendly so if anyone knows another, please write in.

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Martin Donnelly remembers as a kid going to see Fulham versus Chelsea on a weekday evening in 1975 which was a game held for PC Stephen Tibble who had been shot and killed by the IRA. Martin writes about two games taking place - an old boys one and then a full game with then Prime Minister Harold Wilson present.

Martin is trying to locate a programme from the game which he remembers as being a single sheet. I can't help with that or with details of the old boys game but the main match was won 1-0 by Chelsea with Teddy Maybank the scorer. It was at Craven Cottage on 14 April 1975.

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Clint Andrews of Darwin, Australia wonders if Mark Schwarzer is the first Australian to play for Chelsea.

The answer is no. Frank Mitchell was a wing-half for the club between 1949 to 1952. Another international goalkeeper, Mark Bosnich, was here between 2001 and 2003, and going by birth we had Tony Dorigo between 1987 and 1991, although the left-back played for England. Striker Dave Mitchell was born in Glasgow but moved to Australia and played many times for their national side, unlike at Chelsea where he played just eight times and did not find the net. We also had a keeper called John Roberts who featured in our reserves only in the 1965/66 season but subsequently became a full Aussie international.

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In similar vein, Temmy Deryour asks how many South Americans have played for Chelsea?

From Argentina there have been Juan Sebastian Veron, Hernan Crespo and Franco Di Santo.

The Brazil total is now up to 10 if you count Deco who was born and brought up in Brazil but played for Portugal. The others are Emerson Thome, Minero, Lucas Piazon, David Luiz, Ramires, Oscar, Alex, Juliano Beletti and Willian

From Peru came Claudio Pizarro and Uruguay, Gustavo Poyet.

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Another regular correspondent, Mario Antoine, has pointed out a statistical milestone which I can confirm is correct.

Mario points out that since Chelsea were promoted from the Second Division at the end of the 1929/30 season, we played 25 consecutive seasons in the English top flight until relegated at the end of 1961/62. This does not include 1946 when we only participated in the FA Cup after the Second World War.

Since our last promotion season was 1988/89, this season also marks 25 years in the old Division One and the current Premier League, so equalling the longest stay by Chelsea in the top tier.

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A couple of questions which require short answers come first from Glory N, who would like to know the history of no. 16 shirt at Chelsea. Since squad numbers were introduced at the start of the 1993/94 season there have been seven wearers of the 16.

Robert Fleck was the first, followed by David Hopkin, David Rocastle, Roberto Di Matteo, Arjen Robben, Raul Meireles and now the current wearer, Marco van Ginkel.

The second is from Christos Nikolis from Athens who asks about the first appearance by Frank Lampard in a friendly game. That was on Wednesday 25 July 2001, a pre-season friendly at Leyton Orient which we won 2-0. Lampard didn't score either of the goals but he played the first half. John Terry also played in that match although of course it wasn't his first game.

Lampard


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Speaking of friendly games, Chris Pennington is trying to find the times the goals were scored in a match between Chelsea and Dutch side Drecht Steden 79 held at Stamford Bridge on 14 January 1981. Chelsea won 4-2 on a night when Johann Cruyff played against us, as featured in a past Ask Statman, but I don't have the times. Does anyone else please?

Chelsea v Drecht Steden

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Looking back to the 1960s next, Noel Molloy recalls as a youngster watching a game at Wealdstone's ground. He has long since lost the programmes but believes some of the Chelsea reserve side that day went on to play against Leeds in the 1970 FA Cup final victory.

The date of the match was 3 August 1968 and it was reserve pre-season match which Chelsea won 3-0.

The team was: Tommy Hughes, Ken Shellito, Tony Potrac, George Luke, Allan Young, Brian Turner, Ian 'Chico' Hamilton, Alan Hudson, Ian Hutchinson, Barry Lloyd, David Bibby. The goalscorers were Hutchinson, Hamilton and Bibby.

Chico Hamilton (pictured below) is also the answer to a question from Gafar who enquired about the youngest player to score a goal for the first team.

Hamilton was just 16 years and 138 days old when he hit the target on March 18 1967 versus Tottenham. The match ended 1-1 and it was also his debut.

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I'm grouping together a few 'first game' enquiries.

One of the first games John Biggs attended as a youngster back in the 1960s was against Manchester City at Stamford Bridge. He thinks the score was a 4-1 win for Chelsea and wants to know the year.There was no 4-1 in that decade so the best I can offer was a 6-3 in November 1960 or a 3-1 in December 1969.

Coincidently, Bill Drummond's first match was against Man City and he asks for assistance identifying it. The details he gives are it was approximately 1934/35 and during the second half, Frank Swift, Man City's goalkeeper split his shorts and all the players formed a circle around him while he changed them.

Bill also remembers during that era collecting autographs from the likes of George Mills, Dickie Spence, Viv Woodward and one of our captains, George Barber, who surprised everyone by getting out a rubber stamp to 'sign'!

I don't have a record of the shorts incident so it could have been any of four seasons from 1934/35 onwards with Swift in goal. Perhaps someone has info on which one.

Alec J Potter wants details of a Good Friday game against Arsenal in the 1950s which was his 'debut', taken by his next-door neighbour who was an Arsenal supporter.

The two teams played out a 1-1 draw at the Bridge on Good Friday (3 April) 1953 in front of a 72,600 crowd.

The Chelsea team was:

Chic Thomson, John Harris, Stan Willemse, Ken Armstrong, Ron Greenwood, Bill Dickson, Eric Parsons, John McNicholl, Jim Lewis, Bob Edwards, Frank Blunstone. The Chelsea scorer was Parsons.

In a variation from the other questions, Ibrahim Kassim from Nigeria wants help with pinpointing the date he watched his first Chelsea game, which was at a bar with his uncle. He knows it was a 2-1 win v Charlton in the first Jose Mourinho era, which means it must be the most recent time we played Charlton at the Bridge, on 9 September 2006 when the goals came from Didier Drogba and Ricardo Carvalho.

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I'm going to finish this Ask Statman with a question I cannot answer but I'm hoping someone reading can and will email in.

Chris Wray tells me he has been driven mad and expended a lot of effort trying to track down details of a football song.

The era is the first half of the 1970s and Chris suspects the song was either for the 1970 World Cup or the 1972 European Championships (although I should point out England didn't make the short final tournament). He remembers Back Home as the official England record for the 1970 World Cup but also another one that was out. I'll let Chris take up the story:

'All I can remember of it is the words "Martin to Ossie and Bang". It went through a few of the players passing to each other, then Ossie scoring. Arsenal (and a couple of other teams) had one very like it called We're on the Ball but although the gist of the song is the same, the player names are not and they don't sing "and bang", they sing "and goal".

'It was definitely referring to Martin Peters and Peter Osgood so is an England song of the early Seventies. It wasn't a big hit but was played on the radio and being a Chelsea fan I loved that it was Ossie who got the goal.'

Not exactly a statistics question and I don't have the record so I can't help, but if anyone can shed light on the song, please email statman@chelseafc.com which is the address for any new questions, follow-up comments or corrections. Apologies if I didn't deal with your question this time.

Frequently Asked Questions
Here are the answers to some questions that are emailed in regularly:

The first African to join Chelsea was Ralph Oelofse from South Africa, who played eight games for the club between 1951 and 1953.

There have been three Nigerians to play for the Chelsea first team - Celestine Babayaro, John Mikel Obi, Victor Moses. Kenneth Omeruo has yet to make his debut.

Didier Drogba scored 157 goals in his Chelsea career.